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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ This is nothing new, though.

It's basically been going on since Make Yourself haha.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was most likely me, Juan. Even if i have noidea what your comment was.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jelger wrote:
That was most likely me, Juan. Even if i have noidea what your comment was.


What I wrote was this:

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Dirk was never the "riff maker" or idea guy within the band. I don't know why people keep saying that (I'm not discrediting him, by the way). Historically, Mike and Brandon have been the driving force of the band. Mike actually wrote a lot of the bass lines that Dirk played. You can look for it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys.

This is the EP's official art. it might be temp it might just be Side A's art and could likely be replaced with something else when the inevitable "Deluxe" version of the two eps gets release in one package.

but for now, this is the EP's art:



i think it's shitty, so i'm using this, the single artwork for Trust Fall, as artwork on iTunes.



now we're on the same page. sorry for the confusion.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whipped this up quickly:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Musically, I like everything. The lyrics are an unwieldy mess that depend on the listener just sort of forgiving the overuse of cliches/abstractions ("Love is a blessed curse, let's sail across the known universe"). That has been a crippling feature of Brandon's lyrics for a long time but it's gotten worse lately.

I am impressed by the ending of the song, though. I think it is the point of the hard-rocking first 5 minutes to leave you unsettled when it tapers off and leaves with an imposing hollowness. It's Incubus' musical take on death (or "absolution" or whatever they're trying to do thematically with this album).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pan wrote:
Musically, I like everything. The lyrics are an unwieldy mess that depend on the listener just sort of forgiving the overuse of cliches/abstractions ("Love is a blessed curse, let's sail across the known universe"). That has been a crippling feature of Brandon's lyrics for a long time but it's gotten worse lately.

I don't think the lyrics are as bad as you say they are. Yes, they aren't exceptional but I think your disappointment most likely comes from Brandon's poor execution. I've come to terms that that's just the way he sings these days.

I think there are a bunch of singers out there who I think can deliver those same lines quite convincingly without sounding cheesy (not using the same instrumentation).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is so bad about Brandon's delivery or execution (is that the same thing?)? If anything, I think his delivery on Trust Fall and Absolution Calling is more interesting than the past cycle. There's a bit of edge to his voice, which I missed for a while.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel the same way, Jelger. Edge is the word.

The first verse of this song alone (after the "it's only a trust fall" intro) proves it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jelger wrote:
What is so bad about Brandon's delivery or execution (is that the same thing?)? If anything, I think his delivery on Trust Fall and Absolution Calling is more interesting than the past cycle. There's a bit of edge to his voice, which I missed for a while.


totally.

love the way his voice strains during Absolution Calling and on this song.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His delivery isn't my problem on this particular song. I enjoy the harmonies sections.

I already mentioned his cliches and abstractions, but this chunk is equally unsettlingly from a lyrical songwriting point of view:
"The palms of your feet/The whites of your eyes/The arrow in the tree/The sap in your bones/Same as the pistol/heavy in hand/Same as the storms/Spinning on Io/Not a divide/That's an illusion/A collective dream/You startle and wake."
Regardless of the "spoken word" delivery of it, what is his point of any of this imagery? It's incredibly difficult for a listener to follow. Is he singing about going to outer space? Is he singing about a person? Is he singing about shooting someone? Is he singing about being in The Matrix?


The only thing I can come up with is that he intentionally confuses any listeners who give a shit about the words he's singing so that you're forced to stop paying attention to them before he directs you to surrender to the all.
I'm left feeling like it's a pretentious mess more than clever lyric writing.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that those lyrics are not strong and the song could do without it. But to think that he writes nonsense to 'confuse' the listener is crazy. Even if you and me don't get what he means exactly by it (all though I have my own interpretation), doesn't mean that it's meaningless all together.

There is a lot of modern art out there where the artist is certainly giving a meaning and a message to the art piece, but I hardly ever pick up on it. It's why I'm not a fan of modern art, to me it's often without substance. But that doesn't mean there is no substance to it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what the fading lyrics entail, but it certainly is a noteworthy part of the track. Either way, it's quite the experience. I can see why Absolution Calling was the lead single, it's a tad bit more straightforward, while TF is more abstract and goes through more transitions. It'll be interesting to see how the final two songs on the EP relate and flow with the two we've heard.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SBOLLI1 wrote:
^ This is nothing new, though.

It's basically been going on since Make Yourself haha.


It seems particularly weird for people to be saying it about Trust Fall - it's arguably the most SCIENCE-like song they've done since SCIENCE. If Incubus were to change their sound back to SCIENCE, they'd basically be viewed as an embarrassment; I mean, I still listen to SCIENCE on occasion and there are some great songs on there, but the sound also feels pretty dated and 1990s nowadays.

Also, it's pretty ironic - I bet half the people gagging for Incubus to go back to SCIENCE probably hadn't heard of them until Make Yourself at the earliest, considering SCIENCE wasn't a huge hit by any stretch of the imagination. If they hadn't have changed their sound, the likelihood is they probably would never have reached the highs they did.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday I saw one guy comment on the Incubus Facebook:

'I love Incubus, but this track is way too poppy for my taste.'

About Trust Fall. It's ridiculous, it's one of their least pop-tracks in the past ten years.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jelger wrote:
Yesterday I saw one guy comment on the Incubus Facebook:

'I love Incubus, but this track is way too poppy for my taste.'

About Trust Fall. It's ridiculous, it's one of their least pop-tracks in the past ten years.


My interpretation of it: "Incubus sounds too pop now. They need to go back to writing songs like Drive and Wish You Were Here."

Laughing

Honestly, we can probably compile a book of some of these comments from "fans" and sell it. I don't know if it would be absolutely hysterical to read through, or so mind boggling to make you want to punch the book before finishing it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love this song. I am waiting for it to age a little before I make a final decision but right now I'd say it's a really strong incubus song. I have the biggest grin on my face every time I listen to it
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This song for me has gotten better with each listen, really like the verse and many of the parts. The problem for me is the second part of the chorus, "love is a blessed curse that lets you sail across the known universe." Its too wordy and doesn't really fit with the rest of the song or the music. It was really jarring the first time i heard it, i especially didn't like the live version of the chorus.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really digging this, but not a fan of the last minute. Should have ended it at 5:15.

Love the energy though.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been listening to this all day.......best single since Megalomaniac.
Or does this even qualify as a single?

Cheers Incubus, you knocked this one out of the park.
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